[Waverley ARS] Gain Oil - Where to buy in Australia

Wed Sep 30 01:07:38 UTC 2009

Gents,

From a well known and highly trusted forum.  Will it help me get my
signal out of the back yard?  I'm a little fearful that this stuff may
make its way back down the antenna feeder and cause problems.

OK for solid state, you say?  I run valve finals; oil, heat and high
voltage combination scares me, to be quite frank!

73 de VK2HHS :-) 

NI7I 09-23-2009 11:56 PM 

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Mark V Gain Oil

I just recieved my first 5 gal jug and am quite impressed. Soaking a 15
foot length of manila line overnight gave me aproximately 20 db gain
over my wire dipole up about 35 feet. I'm almost afraid to go with a
longer length of rope or soaking it more than 12 hours. Quite remarkable
considering the cost (about 25 bux per 55 gal drum, if you can find it
at a military surplus store).

Does anybody know what improvement the mark V is over mark IV?

Lee
NI7I 

M0DSZ 09-24-2009 06:52 AM 

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Don't know the answer to that question but adding a little ethyl alcohol
to the oil will give an immediate improvement over the figures you have
quoted. This could be useful but it's only a short-term gain. Be
prepared for an actual loss some time afterwards which could only be
restored by hand-massaging more oil into the rope. 

N0SYA 09-24-2009 12:44 PM 

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Yeah, they mentioned this on the 27.025 net last night. 

AI3V 09-24-2009 01:21 PM 

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What fortuitous timing! I'm just about out of my last jug of mark IV.

I am getting exactly 12.3485736 db gain with the mark IV.

I suppose they have solved the spontaneous combustion problem?

Rege 

KR2D 09-24-2009 02:32 PM 

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Originally Posted by AI3V (Post 1711966) 

I suppose they have solved the spontaneous combustion problem?

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Unfortunately, they have not solved that problem. The product can only
be used in an atmosphere of pure Argon. Otherwise, .... FOOOOM! :eek: 

NI7I 09-24-2009 05:35 PM 

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Originally Posted by KR2D (Post 1712046) 
Unfortunately, they have not solved that problem. The product can only
be used in an atmosphere of pure Argon. Otherwise, .... FOOOOM! :eek:
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I first used mark III while in the navy and, while the antennas
themselves never presented a problem,the drums had to be stored in
containers charged with nitrogen. The Mark V is inert. They must have
solved that problem. It was used n lifeboat survival radios. I have a
Mackay Lifeboat radio and a 2 liter container is included. I note that
there is a caution label on that container warning against human
consumption. Although it isnt lethal it has some unpredictable affects
on crepetation. In an open boat this may not be much of an issue.
However, most lifeboats today are enclosed with very little ventelation.
The passing of the gas may be uncomfortable but the other ocupants of
the boat could react wih violence.

Something that concerns me is if I use an unusally large length of, say,
hemp, and soak it for perhaps a week or two, will the gain be such that
I will actually be able to hear my signal before I send it? If so, will
the FCC issue me a notice?

Lee
NI7I 

NL7W 09-24-2009 07:19 PM 

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My "DX Spray" yagi coating will certainly give this oily mess a run for
it's money... :) 

NI7I 09-24-2009 07:37 PM 

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Originally Posted by NL7W (Post 1712448) 
My "DX Spray" yagi coating will certainly give this oily mess a run for
it's money... :)
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Kind of apples and oranges. Your spray does indeed do a fine job but one
must first have a yagi. With the gain oil all you need as a relatively
short length of rope. The rope can be hung out a window or just laid out
on the ground. The gain is measured in "DBS" . That's decibels above a 4
el steppir properly installed. It is also good on all bands with a 1:1
match anywhere you go. I have used your spray in the past with
remarkable results. However my currant location prohibits a tower.

Lee
NI7I 

WB4AUW 09-24-2009 09:44 PM 

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Originally Posted by NI7I (Post 1711492) 
I just recieved my first 5 gal jug and am quite impressed. Soaking a 15
foot length of manila line overnight gave me aproximately 20 db gain
over my wire dipole up about 35 feet. I'm almost afraid to go with a
longer length of rope or soaking it more than 12 hours. Quite remarkable
considering the cost (about 25 bux per 55 gal drum, if you can find it
at a military surplus store).

Does anybody know what improvement the mark V is over mark IV?

Lee
NI7I
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The mark V can also be used with a vertically polarized manila line, the
mark IV only horizontal. 

AB8MA 09-24-2009 09:55 PM 

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Originally Posted by WB4AUW (Post 1712611) 
The mark V can also be used with a vertically polarized manila line, the
mark IV only horizontal.
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That solution provides an excellent omni-directional signal under
absolutely calm conditions. Otherwise, gain favors the direction the
wind is blowing. 

KE7WSH 09-24-2009 10:04 PM 

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Originally Posted by NI7I (Post 1712475) 
However my currant location prohibits a tower.

Lee
NI7I
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You should also be looking into the Radialator(tm) antenna. Very
stealthy, no tower needed, as it uses no above-ground elements due to
its advanced back-folded direct-buried element system comprised entirely
of reverse-end-fed wires. Column-charge coupling to nearby copper
irrigation systems is possible with proper placement for extra gain
above the normal 8 dB, but your radiation pattern may be affected when
the sprinklers are running. For those situations, a generous application
of Mark V to your lawn over the Radialator(tm) will usually increase
gain by another 4dB. 

KJ4LZU 09-24-2009 10:33 PM 

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Overseas Market - Mark V Gain Oil?

I'm not very experienced with this product but I ordered some on Ebay
because I heard a lot about it on this forum. I got a terrific deal but
when it arrived, I tried to read the instruction and they were printed
in Chinese!! It was bottled in a plastic jug. The fluid was very syrupy
and it smelled like fish. Did I get a "knock off" or is this the real
thing? 

AB8MA 09-24-2009 10:41 PM 

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Originally Posted by KJ4LZU (Post 1712657) 
Did I get a "knock off" or is this the real thing?
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You got fish oil, unfortunately. Not bad generally, but the Mercury will
be a problem. 

NI7I 09-24-2009 11:02 PM 

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Originally Posted by KJ4LZU (Post 1712657) 
I'm not very experienced with this product but I ordered some on Ebay
because I heard a lot about it on this forum. I got a terrific deal but
when it arrived, I tried to read the instruction and they were printed
in Chinese!! It was bottled in a plastic jug. The fluid was very syrupy
and it smelled like fish. Did I get a "knock off" or is this the real
thing?
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Most definitely a knock off. Gain oil was first made by the predicessor
of the CIA and was one of the ways they paid thier overhead during the
cold war. It was supplied to the military, mostly Navy and USMC. The
real thing has the consistency of salad oil.

Lee
NI7I 

KI6J 09-24-2009 11:08 PM 

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Before I go searching: How long does a soaking last? Can I store the
soaked rope and use it later? Can I work 30m at 100w with a soaked
cotton sewing thread?
Stu 

NI7I 09-24-2009 11:22 PM 

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Originally Posted by KI6J (Post 1712709) 
Before I go searching: How long does a soaking last? Can I store the
soaked rope and use it later? Can I work 30m at 100w with a soaked
cotton sewing thread?
Stu
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You could but with a hundred watts, I would probably braid at least 3
strands and make sure that it's cotton. Synthetics produce unpredictable
results. There are charts available that show relationships of specific
materials/thickness and time required for soaking. Stowing a soaked
length of line in plastic baghs, well sealed would work.

Aboard ship we once used a 3 inch manila morring line. About 80 feet. We
couldnt soak it as we didnt have a suitable container. We used a pump
spray to coat it as best we could. Using the exciter of our Mackay
sideband xmtr (about 25 mw) we managed 500kc cw contact from the bottom
of the red sea to npn in Kodiak, i believe. the Kodiak op said he had to
put in about 15db of atenuation on to avoid overloading his rx. This was
done in the early pm red sea time.

Lee
NI7I 

W6ECE 09-24-2009 11:33 PM 

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Is it April already? I want my Fall and Winter back! 

K2QI 09-25-2009 03:52 AM 

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Originally Posted by NI7I (Post 1711492) 
I just recieved my first 5 gal jug and am quite impressed. Soaking a 15
foot length of manila line overnight gave me aproximately 20 db gain
over my wire dipole up about 35 feet. I'm almost afraid to go with a
longer length of rope or soaking it more than 12 hours. Quite remarkable
considering the cost (about 25 bux per 55 gal drum, if you can find it
at a military surplus store).

Does anybody know what improvement the mark V is over mark IV?

Lee
NI7I
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You guys are silly.

Everyone knows the mark V is nothing more than mark IV with a little
nitroglycerin added. 

Quit wasting your money. :rolleyes: 

KB1NXE 09-26-2009 01:33 PM 

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The Mark V will also give you twice as many Bird Watts over the Mark IV.
I also noticed the plate voltage on my Dave Made is roughly a third what
it normally is. Down to 6500 volts at 2 amps.

The Mark V has a greater propensity to absorb and hold electrons making
it a better receiving antenna, This is known as the Black Hole effect
and was discovered in the Large Hadron Collider just before the cold
solder joint shut it down. 

K8ERV 09-26-2009 05:09 PM 

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Originally Posted by KR2D (Post 1712046) 
Unfortunately, they have not solved that problem. The product can only
be used in an atmosphere of pure Argon. Otherwise, .... FOOOOM! :eek:
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Hey, I like FOOOOMs.

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo 

NI7I 09-26-2009 05:20 PM 

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Originally Posted by K8ERV (Post 1714684) 
Hey, I like FOOOOMs.

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo
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Actually, FOOOOM's are a necessary factor in the usefull function of
Gain Oilee. There must be at least one controlled FOOOOM per ms or it
just wont work. Gain oil is, in essence, a lubricant for electrons but
if permitted to be FOOOOM free, it will congeal and will opose gain.

NI7I 

W5RB 09-26-2009 09:57 PM 

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Originally Posted by AI3V (Post 1711966) 
What fortuitous timing! I'm just about out of my last jug of mark IV.

I am getting exactly 12.3485736 db gain with the mark IV.

I suppose they have solved the spontaneous combustion problem?

Rege
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The combustion problem is caused by SWRs .You can add 1/2 fl oz. per
gallon of Tillotson's SWR preventer , or up to 1 oz. , if you have a
really LOT of SWRs. In no case should you add more than 1 oz. per gallon
, as this creates neutron nodes that can severely limit forward swing. 

KB3JZD 09-27-2009 01:12 PM 

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I did notice with the Mark V the SWR's are lower and I no longer have to
trim my coax. An added benefit is that the DX stations have stated my
audio now has broadcast quality. On the downside the effects of the jug
of Mark V sitting in my small shack have caused me to spend a lot of
money on bottles of Beno.

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